[Opensource] OT: Total cost of ownership

Tue Oct 14 09:49:06 PDT 2003

Hi

I am running j2ee stuff (non-commercial) absolutely free. It includes (OS, Database, Web server, Web Application Server, integrated editor with debugging, Database, etc....) Moreover if you have a look at www.apache.org they have also started Apache j2ee efforts so from future point of view, I think ur company will be in soup to see other people owning same stuff for free and u people paying a lot for it.

At the same time, I have also done development on .Net platform. I swear I didn't knew the Microsoft programming languages. I was able to write a asynchronous shop, web services, etc... in 3 hours. It is very easy to learn and do development on .net platform as compared to our free opensource stuff.

Hope these comments help you in some way.

Cheers
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Himanshu D Thube
Germany
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--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:18:25
From: "Geeta Ramani" <geeta.ramani at cmpco.com>
To: opensource at jcorporate.com
Cc: 

>Hi everyone:
>
>First, I'd like apologize for posting this off-topic question, and if people
>would prefer to respond to me off-list, that would be fine with me - thanks in
>advance for any and all answers!
>
>The company I work with has recently merged into a larger company.  One result
>of this merger (of five smaller companies) is that many of my original
>company's technological decisions are now being questioned, or at least being
>looked into.  One such decision is a debate over whether to stay the course
>with Java/J2EE or to go over to .NET.  I have been put in a committee (with the
>grandiose title of "Web technology assesssment committee") to look into
>this.  I have been actively trying to argue the case for Java and in fact in
>the interim report that we submitted, five of the seven people in the committee
>have voted for going with J2EE (while only one said we should go .NET and the
>other suggested the use of both).  I had assumed that this would therefore
>persuade management to what I consider is the sane point of view, but
>apparantly there are people in the managerial circles who I believe are behind
>the scenes trying to put forth the idea that .net is the better way to go.  One
>argument that i hear is favoured is that "Total cost of ownership" is lower in
>the .net case..  I have tried many many times to show the advantages (both
>monetary and otherwise) of open source, (as well as the disadvantages of
>clamping ourselves to one vendor) but rather than see the advantages of OS,
>management seems to want to look into the "maybe costs" and the "hidden costs"
>(which don't seem to be articulated enough, in my opinion) and I believe they
>(maybe honestly) think that open source and free products "cannot" be
>true..(the old "nothing in life is free" argument -yaaawwn..)
>
>So my question is this: does anybody here have any kind of "Total cost of
>ownership" figures (for .net vs. a j2ee solution like linux/apache/expresso or
>linux/apache/jboss) that I can bring to management's attention?  I have
>searched the web with not much success - most of the searches yield results in
>particular categories (like operating system Linux vs. Windows etc.)  Also, it
>has been suggested that training costs for J2EE are prohibitive (another factor
>in the TCO argument)..  Of course not really knowing much about the M$ world
>doesn't help me here - for example, is it really easier/cheaper to learn .net
>than it is j2ee?  Also, we hear a lot about Microsoft "clamping down" on
>security with their new MS2003 server - basing their approach apparantly on
>Apache's model of "allow nothing except what you absolutely have to". Is this
>credible?
>
>If anybody has links or stories, which are not inherantly biased (so nothing
>from microsoft.com or sun.com may be appropriate!!), please share them with
>me:  I would really appreciate it..:)
>
>Thank you very much for your time,
>Geeta
>
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