[Opensource] The Great Frames Debate

[Thompson, Kris]

So did we ever come to any closure on this debate?  Many points have been brought up but no direction has been made.  I think the only item that nearly everyone agrees is that they don't like frames... right?

Kris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Rimov [mailto:rimovm at centercomp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:03 PM
> To: opensource at jcorporate.com
> Subject: Re: [Opensource] The Great Frames Debate
> 
> 
> At 07:37 AM 2/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 13:32 US/Pacific, Michael Rimov wrote:
> >>So, is there anybody that has a suggestion on how to remove 
> the frames, 
> >>WITHOUT removing any of the benefits that frames provide?
> >
> >Okay, let me rephrase what I wrote last night.
> >
> >There's two different usages to consider.
> >
> >1) The pages delivered in the "Expresso" bundle for configuration of 
> >"Expresso"
> >2) What "we" do with Expresso to create our own sites.
> >
> >In the first, I don't care what you do to create those 
> pages.  They aren't 
> >what I'm going to show to users, and I'm going to do my best 
> to hide those 
> >pages from anybody but the administrator(s).
> >
> >However, it's in (2) where I want nice and easy to use 
> URL's.  For my site 
> >the main thing needs to be the forums, and I want the URL's to be 
> >something like
> 
> David,
> 
> Thanks for the clarification!!!!  I thought you were talking 
> about case #1, 
> thus my original posting.  As for what Jcorp does with their 
> site frames or 
> no frames, I'll leave that to them ;). [Read on for your own uses]
> 
> So for your own easy url's, simply run the Controller out of 
> frame [nothing 
> hard there], and you're done... your url's are 'simple'.  I'm 
> working on 
> making url's appear in a nicer format too... but that's a separate 
> issue.  If you need help figuring what URL to create in your 
> link, go to 
> the frames version, right click on the click, properties, and 
> you'll see 
> the link URL which you can copy and paste into your own pages.
> 
> As for tiles,  it's basically a templating system so you can 
> change the 
> definition and have it instantly propagated to all pages. So you can 
> include output from a controller as the main body, and make 
> 'headers' for 
> the top of the page and have tiles handle it in two requests 
> to the server.
> 
> I find that for my own page writing, I tend to use 
> Dreamweaver's templating 
> system; but if you are pulling data from multiple sources 
> such as in a 
> portal system, I find Tiles ideal to use.  But I definitely 
> don't think 
> that it's a 'hammer for every job'.
> 
> I kind of like your idea about being able to have custom tags 
> to allow for 
> easier writing of eforum site customization.  I'll keep that 
> in the back of 
> my mind since I've been trying to figure out how to make 
> things easier for 
> the end user to customize.
> 
> Are we getting onto the same page??
>                                                          -Mike
> 
> 
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